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Arunabh Das

So does this mean we have hit peak oil or no?
- Arunabh Das

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Engineer-Poet

JLK:  Is there some reason for the bottom-to-top ordering of the comments?  It is extremely hard to read.

Jack

Thank you for explaining how refinery shortages account for high oil prices. I had been wondering about this myself, but didn't make the link.

However, I think there may be a piece of the puzzle missing. Refinery configurations have long been seen a key element in determining oil price spreads. A lack of refineries that are able to convert poor quality crudes to valuable products should shift demand from heavy crudes to light. Since commonly reported benchmark fuels (WTI, Brent) are relatively light and expensive, it may be that the headline oil prices have increased more than the median price.

It is also worth noting that the refining sector can not adjust rapidly to match supply and price changes. No new refineries have been build for over 30 years and I don't think there is much debottlenecking capacity remaining.

Any greenfield project developed now would not be producing for at least five years (if it could be developed) and, I believe, would have to earn refining margins at or near current rates for over ten years after that to breakeven.

CKR

Hi Nancy -

Yes, there is a lot of oil left. The question is whether it can be extracted economically. Right now it seems to my economically limited mind that pumping and refinery capacity along with political factors (like that little difficulty in Iraq) are more limiting than reserves.

Another way I disagree with the Peak Oilers that didn't come out in JLK's article is that I believe that rising oil prices will bring in alternative sources like the Canadian tar sands and nuclear power which will become more economic as they are developed in response to the need.

For some of my agreements, see my original article as linked by JLK or here: http://whirledview.typepad.com/whirledview/2005/05/peak_oil.html

nancy peters

Hi CKR,

I am relatively new to Peak Oil so I was very interested to see your response. However, it seems that you are saying that there still is a lot of oil left, which does not seem to be disputed by any peak oilers.
But perhaps I am misunderstanding you?

Also, what suggestions of Peak Oil do you see as worth taking seriously.

CKR

Thanks, JLK. I think you've given me overall a good review.

First, I'd like to reiterate that I agree with the Peak Oilers on many issues: decrease dependence on such a geopolitically destabilizing resource; petroleum prices are likely to go up, given rising needs in developing countries; and petroleum resources are finite.

Where I disagree is on the urgency of the threat and the catastrophic scenarios that many Peak Oilers like to project, along with some of the scientific underpinnings of the theory. I do think that you've got to get your details right in order to have any chance at predicting future events, but I also think that a grand worldview like Peak Oil can have many things right while getting many of the details wrong. In short, I don't think that most of the science is the central issue.

Another caveat: I haven't followed all the details of Peak Oil, so on that same theory (that I can get some details wrong while getting much of the bigger picture right) my post was a general overview. In this vein, I'm not going to hunt down references for this response, but I will admit to a couple of errors.

JLK said: It is true that experts such as Colin Campbell predicted in past decades that Peak Oil would occur sometime in the mid to late 1990s. (Hey, JLK, enable HTML in comments!)

And I think that that was in the 1970s. Colin Campbell has made predictions since shortly after King Hubbert that oil was running out within the next twenty years. We also seem to have oil price crises about every twenty years, but we're not close to running out yet. Campbell seems to be operating on the principle that a stopped watch gets the time right twice every twenty-four hours.

I agree with what you've said on reserves (and I think it reinforces what I've said) and will note that the special Economist issue on oil (30 April) suggests a transparency on reserves that follows the model of the mining companies. The presence of national oil companies in the mix complicates such a move, but given the concerns about corporate responsibility, particularly in energy matters (remember Enron?), it might be worth the oil companies' consideration.

Russian reserves remain an enigma wrapped in a mystery, or perhaps the other way around. I'm also wondering about all those wells that were produced too fast under the Communist regime to make the five year plan quotas and whether they have recovered themselves (wells sometimes do) or whether new technologies have taken care of the damage.

I also agree that the biggest oil reserves have probably been discovered. There are wonderful mysteries out there in the natural world, so I leave some room for surprises. But it is new technology that is expanding the reserves once thought unproduceable. About 1/3 of petroleum is easily recoverable, and I believe that technology is bringing that up closer to 1/2. One-sixth (the difference) of those giant deposits is a lot.

Economics is not my thing, so I will pass on the comment about the terror premium. I'll just say that some commentators believe that it is real.

On refinery capacity, I was trying to keep the post simple and fell into conflating gasoline and petroleum prices. I have recanted in Majikthise's comment section (http://majikthise.typepad.com/majikthise_/2005/05/another_look_at.html). Your explanation overlaps with my recantation. I'd like to add that Americans (Peak Oilers among them) tend to see gasoline prices as having cosmic significance, which adds to the heat of the Peak Oil debate and the willingness of some to take this explanation even when they don't understand it.

As I've said, I see a lot of wisdom in taking some of Peak Oil's suggestions seriously. Just not all of them.

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